[sikvy]

Qu: Why buy a Supercharged V6 instead of a Gen III V8 or WRX?
Ans: After countless racing events and participation in ¼ mile racing it has become apparent that a modified Supercharged V6 will on almost all occasions beat a Gen III V8 and WRX all the way till 3/4 track which then they slowly start to creep up.This reinforces the claim that "Traffic Light to Traffic Light" a modified Supercharged V6 will always take out a Gen III V8.

With a variety of different modifications to the Supercharged V6's, such as Boost, Rockers, Exhaust, they will consistently pull 14.3's and 14'4's down the ¼ mile at close to 95mph.

The Gen III's typically pull 14.5's to 14.2's and the WRX's 14.7's to 14.4's depending on take-off.

Off the line to ½ track the Supercharged V6's will be almost 4 - 5 car lengths in front!! They just scream away from the start to leave them well behind, and they have to spend the rest of the race trying to catch up.

So conclusively, if you want a car that sprints away from traffic lights and will win virtually any street battle then the Supercharged V6 is definitely a tractable contender. With the bulk of power being available right off the line from low rpm it makes the Supercharged V6 sprint rapidly to get a good couple of car lengths in front of your worthy competitor.

Driving around on light throttle the power is always on tap and the acceleration from the abundance of Torque makes them a very responsive car to drive around town. A Gen III V8 and even a WRX are both very doughy and sluggish until they reach 3,500rpm at which then they start to move. This makes them quite uninspiring to drive around at low rpm and low cruising speeds, where as the Supercharged V6 has a bulk amount of Power Delivery in this area.

Many who have driven a modified Supercharged V6 and then hop into a Gen III V8 are quite unimpressed as the lag of power until higher in the rpm zone, is quite uninspiring to the regular Super6 driver.

We find many owners of Gen III's V8's now steering away from the V8 Scene and heading over to the Supercharged V6 establishment due to the huge amount of high performance components now available and the awesome streetability of power and torque being available from very low rpms. In return Fuel Economy is better, and Insurance is cheaper, plus there have been no known issues to date, where as there have been many oil consumption and piston knock issues with the Gen III's.

So why buy a Supercharged V6?

If you want a car that's very responsive, inspiring to drive and easy to modify whilst still maintaining excellent reliability then the Supercharged V6 is definitely the best weapon of choice!!


what u guys think of this truth or bs?

[trey383]

yeah pretty funny,obviously written by someone with a super6.Iknow what i would rather and it aint the v6

[SS1304]

sikvy, on Dec 13 2008, 12:21 PM, said:

Qu: Why buy a Supercharged V6 instead of a Gen III V8 or WRX?
Ans:
Many who have driven a modified Supercharged V6 and then hop into a Gen III V8 are quite unimpressed as the lag of power until higher in the rpm zone, is quite uninspiring to the regular Super6 driver.

i actually think its the other way around
didn't really feel the same driving a sc6 vx a lil while ago
but with mods i'm sure they would be good
V8 for me though

[BUZURK]

yeah um v8 for me anyday, silly boy lol

plus instead of modding the supercharged 6, mod the v8.....and you are way in front.

load of cogswallop

This post has been edited by BUZURK: 13 December 2008 - 10:08 PM

[Ben]

As someone who has owned a couple of LS1s and driven a few v6 Commodores I'd argue a few things.

Firstly I always found fuel economy in an unmodified LS1 to be about equivalent to the V6 in around town driving, I can only imagine the supercharged would be worse.

Secondly... those quarter mile figures are a fair way wrong, it is not uncommon for virtually unmodified LS1s (cat back exhaust and tune only) to run into the high 13s, in fact my ute did so on full street trim without a tune.

There is a little bit of truth in the fact that LS1s are a bit doughy/sluggish at low RPMs though. There's an easy solution to that though... drive it like you stole it!

[xlr8ta]

for a completely unbiased opinion....
I have never owned either so have no persuasion to favour one or the other to justify the way I chose to spend my money.

However I am fortunate enough to have driven numerous of both and my personal choice would be the LS1 without a doubt. Yes it may be a little doughier down low, but get the revs up and things soon change

The big thing that stands out to me from the above "sales pitch for the supercharged V6" is that he is comparing a modified V6 (roller rockers, boost upgrade and exhaust mods) to a stock LS1. Throw the money that you would spend to do the above mentioned mods on the V6 at an LS1 and instead of running consistant mid 14s you will find that you are now running easy low 13's to high 12s. Simple mods like exhaust and tune will see the stock LS1 go from approx 170rwkw to approx 220rwkw.

Food for thought

[Jason]

LS1s sound tougher, end of argument.

[sikvy]

the thing is i brought my super6 vy series 2 03 model for 18K standard 171 kw have spent 2g on it and pushing 220 kw my dad recently brought o3 cv8r monaro for 30K and it only puts out 240 standard....... hang on i have still got an extra 10g to mod my 6 up 20kw? i could get an intercooler 17 psi boost and a stroker kit to a 4.2 and a tune for that muhc and be punching out near on 300+ kw

[BUZURK]

that being said, a gen3 version of the vt ss is probably only gunna cost 15grand, then you would have 15 to spend on the gen3....hello power

[Ben]

BUZURK, on Dec 14 2008, 08:36 AM, said:

that being said, a gen3 version of the vt ss is probably only gunna cost 15grand, then you would have 15 to spend on the gen3....hello power

Exactly. LS1 powered cars are getting damn cheap now... I was recently looking at a VU SS, cammed with 300rwkw and a bunch of other mods (similar to my old one)... asking price was $18k ONO!

[sikvy]

its not gunna be a race car guys lol just a nice street car that is kept clean that might go down the strip everynow and then. and its something different.
http://v6supercharged.com.au/video.asp
and i also have to say not all power is the same power...
a super6 will launch like an animal
u v8 lovers have the acceleration at higher speeds

[Bigbird]

Yeah V8s lack low down torque....


If you like the Super 6 mate go for it! As long as your happy it doesnt matter what everyone else thinks, it is YOUR car after all!

[Cranky]

meh

supercharge the genIII then wave bye bye to the super 6!

sikvy, on Dec 14 2008, 02:16 AM, said:

the thing is i brought my super6 vy series 2 03 model for 18K standard 171 kw have spent 2g on it and pushing 220 kw my dad recently brought o3 cv8r monaro for 30K and it only puts out 240 standard....... hang on i have still got an extra 10g to mod my 6 up 20kw? i could get an intercooler 17 psi boost and a stroker kit to a 4.2 and a tune for that muhc and be punching out near on 300+ kw

this may be true... but in ten years time the monaro will be worth more than its worth now and your vy wil be worth 2k maybe?

[VU_SS_UTE]

xlr8ta, on Dec 14 2008, 12:18 AM, said:

for a completely unbiased opinion....
I have never owned either so have no persuasion to favour one or the other to justify the way I chose to spend my money.

However I am fortunate enough to have driven numerous of both and my personal choice would be the LS1 without a doubt. Yes it may be a little doughier down low, but get the revs up and things soon change

The big thing that stands out to me from the above "sales pitch for the supercharged V6" is that he is comparing a modified V6 (roller rockers, boost upgrade and exhaust mods) to a stock LS1. Throw the money that you would spend to do the above mentioned mods on the V6 at an LS1 and instead of running consistant mid 14s you will find that you are now running easy low 13's to high 12s. Simple mods like exhaust and tune will see the stock LS1 go from approx 170rwkw to approx 220rwkw.

Food for thought

Exactly, over the radiator intake good exhaust and a tune would have the LS1 flogging the charged 6 any day of the week.

Simply a full stocker with a tune gets rid of the doughyness down low!

Anyone who's driven a stock LS1 then a tuned one will know what im talking about, they're 2 different cars, not to mention the 6s generally sound like they have half a dozen marbles rattling around the engine bay from new.

sikvy, on Dec 13 2008, 12:21 PM, said:

"Traffic Light to Traffic Light" a modified Supercharged V6 will always take out a Gen III V8.

Well it may be "naughty naughty" but i had plenty of traffic light grand prix's in my old ute, both before and after mods, and they only thing I saw from super6s was the bonnet in my rear vision mirrors lol

[dwaynE]

the original writer of that needs to compare apples with apples... you can't compare a modified V6 to a standard LS1... thats just going to swing the argument his way...... go a VY SC V6 auto vs. VY SS 5.7 auto and see how the race pans out? i'd be interested to see the result then...

Also, you can't compare a monaro to a VY S... it just doesn't compare... compare the performance not the price...
and, 95mph isn't that wild, my old stock VS V6 pulled 91/92mph...


may i point you to four cars...

Chris Simpsons VX Calais:
was recently for sale and got down to $16,000 with no bites... so i say you could pick up a similar vehicle for around 12 - 13k to buy second hand with 100,000kms on the clock...
chris has spend under $4000 on mods and ran an 11.9 second quarter mile with a 75hp wet shot of gas, and a 12.3 without gas... i recently drove his car to hobart and back on one tank of fuel. all with a 4k stall and 3.73 diff gears singing along at 2300rpm for a few hours on a trot... it'll happily do 10L/100kms on the highway and will hardly get above 15L/100kms if driven nicely on the street in town...

Dwayne Kerrisons VY Maloo:
ignore the initial purchase price of $36k and figure that you can buy a car with an IDENTICAL driveline (VY SS) for about 15 - 20k at the moment... the only thing HSV left on my Maloo is the build plate and body kit and interior. everything that HSV do differently to the SS in the powertrain area i have changed... so then...
my spend has been about 7 - 8k all up. i have run now 12.1 second passes... at three different drag meets... 129 passes in total... a consistant 12.1 - 12.2 second car... this car has the same mods that you talk about doing to a Super Six... ie. Diff gears, Stall, Exhaust, Cold air intake, Tune, Valve springs, Ballancer, Throttle Body... recently pulled 13L/100kms on a trip to hobart with a torque converter featuring no lock up clutch and a 6000rpm stall speed...
it is the fastest bolt-on NA LS1 in the state... thin air is a distant second...

Joe's VZ SS Ute:
Bringing in a car from outside this club, recently a friend of mine ran a 14.4 in his VZ ute with an exhaust only... pulling a lowly 95mph it didn't seem right for the car... Boyley helped Joe with an Oztrack mail order mafless tune and installed an OTR that Joe had been given for free and the car pulled a 13.2 second pass... stock clutch, shifter, diff gears, street tyres... were we to add into that valve springs, tex clutch, rip shifter, 3.91 gears and a set of tyres and joe will have tassies fastest bolt-on manual LS1 running easy 12.5's...

Ben's old VU SS... LS1UTE:
Ben had this ute going quick before any of us were thinking about modding LS1's... 12.56 @ 11Xmph i believe... a manual ute tuned on 95 fuel with a poor intake, restrictive exhaust, an inferior clutch and only a few passes ever done... this was about 4 years ago i think?... if ben were to have installed a Tex clutch, had it re-tuned for 98 with an OTR and 4-1 headers, big cats and twin 3" system this ute would have run up 300rwkw and pulled an 11 second quarter... Ben was way ahead of the pack and was the car I wanted to beat when i started modding my ute...


Comparing times cars in THIS club have done at private drag days or other...
i'm yet to see a super6 into the 12's (not just in this club, but this state!)... i'm yet to see a super6 run 13's... i'm yet to see a super6 hold onto an LS1 that has had the same money spent on it... i'm yet to see a stock auto super6 hold onto a stock auto LS1...


my argument is very biased because i own an LS1 and i've got mates running the things that i've spent some time on. these are not men with limitless funds either. just average guys with a passion for going fast leaving the bull s**t on the start line... Craigs 10.7 408ci stroker VT SS... Champs 10.7 346 head/cam/gas VT Clubby... Simmo's 11.9 unopened/gas VX Calais... My 12.1 unopened maloo... Boyleys 12.3 cam-only VE Calais...

whats not biased is true fact... there are plenty of quick LSx's in the state, and all of them will happily line up any super6 for a proper head to head drag race... January 17th is tassienats... come along... i'll be in the pabs lane

This post has been edited by dwaynE: 23 December 2008 - 09:27 AM